S1E18 - Twisted Metal: Black

Welcome back to another episode of Discreedair the Podcast, where every week we dive into the fascinating and extensive library of the greatest selling video game console of all time, the PlayStation Two. I'm Derek Kicker.

I'm Ian Golding.

And this week we are kicking off sequel month.

Sequel month.

Every game this month is going to be a sequel to a game that was originally on a different console. So this week we're doing Twisted Metal Black, which is, of course, a sequel to a bunch of games on the PlayStation One.

Yes.

So twisted metal black. This was kind of a pivot. We originally didn't plan to do Twisted Metal Black this week.

We did not.

But Peacock decided that they were going to drop a little teaser for the upcoming Twisted Metal TV show, which, I will be 100% honest with you, I had no idea was going to be a thing.

I had no fucking clue. I had not heard a word about that.

No, I saw the poster. They released, like a little poster preview thing, and then next thing I know, there was a teaser.

Yeah. They just up and decided to ruin everyone's fucking weekend by releasing it last Friday.

Yeah. I cannot just say it.

There's no fucking it's one of the.

Worst things I've ever seen.

It might be the worst thing I've ever seen. I've seen some shit.

I don't understand how it can be so bad in, what, 30 seconds first.

And we'll talk about little tagger on the end, but however long it is, I think it's 40 seconds. The first 30 is so I almost can't explain the feeling I have in watching this thing. Like, first of all, let's get this out of the way. Anthony Mackey, I think his name is the actor. He's got Faric charisma. He's got fucking charm. He's great in everything he's in. He was even great as the bad guy in Eight Mile. However holy fucking shit. Does he look like he's just here for a fucking paycheck?

This whole movie looks like paycheck. Talk about fundamentally misunderstanding your source material. Completely missing the vibe of Twisted Metal by a country mile. Holy shit.

By a country. Not a country. Fucking mile. Yeah.

It is just the worst. One of the worst. So I really liked the Mario movie. And I would even say that the Mortal Kombat movie that came out two years ago was fine.

It was enjoyable.

Yeah. So between that and say something like The Last of US, which I loved, here I am thinking, this might be it. Maybe this is the turn. Maybe this is the turn for video game properties being turned into TV shows and movies. And then this hunk of shit comes.

Out, and then Lens Steal My Sunshine starts fucking playing.

Oh, my God.

Ladies and gentlemen, start your engine.

I know, bursting on my feet.

Thought, experiment real quick here. Could you think of a worse song to put in this trailer. I know, I know they're going with an ironic thing here, but even that is it's like such a bad like it's a bad song. Yeah. Like, I get happy sunshine, blah, blah, blah, but it just didn't fucking land. And that song is ear fucking poison.

Well, and the worst thing about it is not only did they put that song in there, but they have him dancing to it, which okay, I understand. Maybe. Okay. There's like, the juxtaposition, the contrast of this dark subject matter and a happy song. I get that.

Of course.

That's not what this is. This is weird. Campy. Not in a good way campy. Just like shit.

Okay, so he's, like, sitting in his fucking I don't know, it's like a Subaru or something.

Yeah, it looks like a WRX or something.

STI. Yeah. And it's all wrecked up and it's got machine gun in the front, and he's, like, flipping through his CD case, whatever. And then he pulls out a CD. It says Road Mix. First of all, lens Steal My Sunshine has been on no human beings road mix ever. I will bet money if you're listening right now and you can prove to me that it was on a road mix before this, I'll tell you right now, I'll give you $100. I'll venue a fucking $100. I need the proof, though. And then he's, like, driving in a field shooting machine guns at nothing that are built into his car. After he then put shotgun shells in his shot.

What are we doing? Box full of shotgun shells? It really kind of like, threw me for a loop that they would show him shooting at nothing. Why show him shoot at all?

The only thing, the only small thing I can hope and this is such a fucking reach and if I'm right, I'm a hero. Especially talking about twisted metal black. They're all in a fucking a sane asylum. Maybe none of this is real and it's all in his head and he's fucking crazy. If that's the case, I might think it might not be complete and utter dog shit.

Yeah, because watching it, it made me feel like I was in an insane asylum.

Yes.

And it was a fever dream.

I'm thinking back and you might not have this thing, but they did this thing for that game Team Fortress two years and years ago. Meet the and you met each of the classes, and the big thing was, who's behind the mask of the one with the flamethrower? I think it might have been I don't remember what that class was called, but they had a flamethrower and it was like, what kind of sick, twisted mind? And then they made these little videos and this was meet the whatever he is, bad guy with flamethrower. And then you went inside their head and in their head, it wasn't a flamethrower. They were shooting bubbles at dancing unicorns and shit. And it's to really funny, upbeat music. And so you got the idea that this person is fucking insane. And instead of setting people on fire, they thought they were shooting bubbles at, like, unicorns and happy. And they'd cut back and forth between that and what was really happening. And it was really fucking clever. That is the only thing I can fucking hold on to right now is what might be going on with this trailer. Yeah.

Somehow I don't have a lot of faith that that's what's happening here. Also, the little the little Sweet Tooth tag.

Yeah, let's do that.

The end. I mean, Sweet Tooth. Okay, Sweet Tooth is not the Joker. Needles Cane is not the Joker. So him laughing like a maniac isn't necessarily on brand. That's not Sweet tooth thing. Sweet Tooth isn't like a laugher guy.

No, of course not.

He's like a hardcore serial killer and play around mentally ill. And it's like in the wreckage of Las Vegas. And it's like is this like post apocalyptic? Or is like this tournament? Because that's what twisted medal is. Twisted metal is a tournament. Is it in Vegas? Because where Anthony Mackey was, that ain't Vegas.

Ain't nowhere near is the story going to be him going to the tournament in his fucking super route. Like, I don't care. I don't fucking care.

It's a real time. Real time Anthony Mackey driving from Los Angeles to Vegas.

Fuck, man.

We should absolutely do a review episode every week.

Once it comes out, I'm 100% down. I will do it real time. I will do it immediately after. I will do it because I'll probably watch each episode twice and just punch holes in the walls of my fucking house.

The only thing Twisted Metal about this whole thing is the font they used, literally.

Yeah.

Let's get into the game then, because there is a lot to talk about in this game.

Yes.

Then one day he showed up. Calypso, he called himself. It was a stupid name. I wanted to kill him there and then, but he made me an offer. He said he ran some kind of crazy contest if I want his game. He promised to show me how to bring an end to the curse.

So twisted. Metal Black was released in North America on June 18, 2001. So about seven months after launch. Now I have, like, a pretty deep history with the Twisted Metal franchise. I was a huge fan of the first two Twisted Metal games. And I like three and four too, from a fun standpoint. Not from a story standpoint at all. No, but especially twisted Metal Two. Twisted Metal Two is such an incredible banger.

Absolute banger. Absolute fucking banger.

Like, insane how much fun that game was. And especially for the time, like, Twisted Metal One came out really early in the PlayStation One's Life. Like, I want to say it came out the same year, 1995.

Ish it was two months after release. It was November.

And playing that after playing stuff on the Genesis and the Super Nintendo insane wild seemed impossible.

Yes, it did.

The speed and the graphics, which now I think that game is nigh unplayable.

It's absolutely unplayable.

I don't know what's going on. It amazes me that I ever knew what was going on in that game. And then the sequel was kind of incredible. And then the second one was the last one that would be made by the guys that would eventually make Twisted Metal Black. And then it went to another new studio for development, which is why there is a huge change in Three and four. Twisted Metal Four was the last one for PlayStation and would be twisted Metal Four will be the last one done by Nine Eight, Nine Studios. But then it would come back into the hands of creator and kind of video game auteur David Jaff, who created Twisted Metal and also created God of War.

Yes, he did. Absolutely.

And Santa Monica Studios would actually assist on development in twisted metal black. But the developing studio for Twisted Metal Black was incognito entertainment.

Okay.

And this was the first game they did. They would go on to do the next Twisted Metal game, which would be developed after this, or probably in tandem. It's hard to find, but it would be a PlayStation One game that would come out in 2001, which is Twisted Metal Small Brawl. And then they would do War of the Monsters, which is an interesting PlayStation Two game. Downhill Domination twisted Metal Head On, which was a PSP game that eventually would be ported to the PlayStation Two. Calling all cars for PS Three and Warhawk for PS Three. Which Warhawks? Warhawk. I think it's not related to Warhawk for PS One, which is a very fun game.

Very fun game. Then when you said Warhawk, I was like, I like that game. And you said PS Two. I'm like, I don't think that's the same game.

Yeah. Oh, it is a remake. It's a remake of it. Well, and also Santa Monica Studio assisted on the development of that. So I think David Jaff just kind of sticking his fingers in all kinds of pies.

There he is.

Yeah. But they're largely owned by Sony.

Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah.

So it was kind of a first party internal kind of deal.

Yeah.

And obviously Sony was the publisher. But yeah, I think there's not a ton on the development of this game. It didn't seem like it had a particularly fraught development cycle. But it is a return to form for what I would say is a pillar franchise for the PlayStation One.

Absolutely.

And it has a pretty fucked up story. So let's get into that. I thought back to that fateful night. I had been approached by a young couple who brought to me their child. I was to perform one of my most important duties, an exorcism. So Twisted Metal Black is I mean, if you've ever played any of the Twisted Metal games, they're demolition derby games. You pick a player, they have a car, that car has guns, you shoot guns and missiles and specials and you blow each other up. And there's not a massive focus on story, but compared to some other games like this, there's actually a lot of story in the background happening.

Yes there is.

And for people who want to dive in, there is lots of stuff to dive into. There's always been deep character BIOS characters going from game to game and being related to one another and stuff like that. But the gist of the story for all of the Twisted Metal games is that there's this being, and it's never super clear what he is. In some games he's a demon or possessed by a demon. In some versions he was sent to hell and Satan gave him his powers. It's possible he's a multidimensional being. But the main antagonist of all the Twisted Metal games is a character by the name of Calypso.

Yeah.

And Calypso runs a tournament similar to Mortal Kombat called Twisted Metal.

And the winner similar to Hunger Games. And this is the Donald Sutherland character. Yeah.

Not really Hunger Games with cars.

Yeah.

Battle Royale is just stealing from twisted metal.

100%. 100% right.

But Calypso basically offers a bunch of degenerates and murderers and criminals and people who are desperate and invites them to participate in his tournament. And by dangling in front of them the prize, which is the winner of Twisted medal, will have any wish they desire granted.

Their heart desire I believe is the terminology.

Yeah. By this magical being. And considering most of these people are awful and bad people, they have pretty terrible wishes.

Lot of revenge.

Lot of revenge. Lot of wishing for the ability to cause more mayhem. And also the ones that do want something good or have some sort of righteous wish Klipso, often in a monkey paw sort of way, gives them what they ask for, but it's not exactly what they ask for.

There are a lot of twelve inch pianists in this history of Twisted Metal.

Yeah, Calypso has a very there's a very needful things vibe, but in Twisted Metal Black there is some sort of effort to kind of consolidate where he's pulling these contestants from. But basically the story is depending on which character you pick, all the characters have essentially the same beginning story. All the characters are locked in Blackfield Mental asylum, the resident mental asylum of a city called Midtown. And basically they all are rotting away in this asylum. And Calypso comes individually and offers them a hope, salvation from their predicament. All they have to do is win his contest and one by one they leave the asylum and engage in Twisted Metal combat where you're driving around shooting missiles. So they bust out. They bust out. And by bust out, I mean they literally just drive out the front gate.

There's, like a garage door that opens, and they drive their car out. Yeah.

And then you go through the levels. There's a mid boss, mid game boss minion, who's a returning character from a bunch of the other games. He's also an unlockable character once you beat the game with every other character. And then you fight a giant helicopter at the end. Oh, my God.

What's?

The helicopter's name is Warhawk. The last boss's name is Warhawk.

Whoa.

Crazy, right?

We think about it. And then a guy falls out of the helicopter after you blow it.

Oh, my God.

Favorite part, he's, like, falling into the cage.

In what way were you blowing up that helicopter? That would make him fly out of it that way, right?

Exactly. Yeah.

And then you get your cutscene, your final cutscene with Calypso, and you find out what happens.

How he boned you, or, like the monkey spot thing you said, or what sick revenge you got on the person or people who you think ruined your life. Yeah.

And that's where things can either be very boring with this game or very interesting. So, obviously, there's some typical revenge junkyard dog. Some pilot sprayed him with pesticides and his nose fell off or some shit. He looked like a rat. And then he was like, oh, no, what happened? And then he finds his wife making out with the pilot. For some pilot talking about cash in on his life insurance.

That's a plan to get rid of the husband.

And so he beats his wife to death with a ho. And then his prize is that he wants to find the pilot. So Calypso finds him, the pilot, and then he slowly flies a propeller plane into him. And there's a lot of stuff like that that is just like okay, sure.

Yeah, sure. You say so. Yeah.

And there's also some interesting stuff, right. The driver of Outlaw, Agent Stone, he has huge regrets because in hunting down some terrorists, he accidentally murdered a small child and her mother. And his wish is to go back in time and do it right this time. So Calypso transports him back in time, and he's more calm, doesn't let his anger get a hold of him. Kills the terrorist, but not the children or the child and the mother, only to realize that he hadn't fully killed the terrorist. And the terrorist blows his brains out.

That's right.

So he ends up dying. He wins twisted medal to die. Then there's a few more interesting characters whose endings so you have series regular and a mascot of the whole series. Sweet Tooth.

Yeah.

Aka.

Needles Cane.

Needles cane? Needles Cane, the Sadistic Ice Cream Truck Killer. Yes. And his whole arc is that he was cursed at his own execution by Brimstone and his head was set on fire, and it hurts.

Yes. He wants that out.

Doesn't feel good. Not a fun time.

Not a fan.

He wants the curse gone. So when he gets to the end, calypso offers him Brimstone's blood and says, if you drink this, your head will no longer be on fire. But if you start murdering, if you start doing more murders, the curse will come back. And Sweet Tooth takes a moment, composes himself, thinks it over, and decides that he's just going to kill Calypso and cuts Calypso's fucking head off.

Yes.

Which is the most sweet tooth shit ever. Calypso is a clown for not seeing this coming.

Literally.

Literally. Yeah. And then, I guess, lore wise, he kind of takes over, I think.

I think so.

Takes over the twisted metal tournament. Who knows? There's also Charlie Kane and his son, which there's like, oh, is it Tweetube's Brother? Again? The lore of this game is so wonky. There's also Axel. Axel is a very famous member of this team, as his car is just two wheels. He sticks his arms into it's been.

Grafted onto his arms, legs.

He's like Jax from Mortal Kombat. But instead of metal arms, he has wheel arms, which seems like he wouldn't last long. But, hey, he's been in every one of the every one of these games.

He has kind of got the short shrift on this one a little bit.

Yeah. Well, he's an unlockable character in this one.

That's why yeah.

He doesn't have so he doesn't have an opening cut scene.

Yeah. Which blows.

Yes. There's also another character, another unlockable character named Black, which is unfortunate. He wears a GIMP mask, which is funny, and his car is manslaughter. But the lore with this guy is that he is chasing down Calypso. He's the original demon that possessed Calypso. And he's chasing down Calypso to steal the power back. He can't talk very well, and he's.

Like yeah, he don't talk, so don't talk so good.

He don't talk so good. And then when he gets to the end, when he wins Twisted Medal, he gets to the end and there's just a note that says, fuck you, love Calypso. Attached to a bomb. And it blows up. But of course, does not kill him because goddamn Calypso cannot do anything right.

No, of course, he's halfway there.

But then we get to the most interesting character of Twisted Metal, Black, which is Minion.

Yeah.

And Minion has been in virtually every game. He drives like a it's like it's almost like a tank, like an armored personnel carrier. And in the other games, he was a demon. He was a demon in this game. He's like the MAGA Shaman. He's got the buffalo or like a bull's head on top of his own head. But the special thing about him is that once you unlock him and as you play through his campaign, you get secret messages in the loading scenes. Yes. On the loading screens, you get these random letters, but what they are is you go to the alphabet. It's like they're numerical alphabet code. So, like, one is A, two is B. Like that. And basically by putting these codes coded messages together, you kind of realize that Minion is actually a dual personality of Sweet Tooth.

Right.

And that it is possible that the entirety of this tournament takes place in Sweet Tooth's head.

Fucking.

And that none of it is real, which is great.

Which is fucking great.

Which is why I almost wish that none of the other twisted Metal games existed because this would be such a cool thing if the lore just didn't shit on it. Which way from every game before and after this.

Right.

But the idea that this is all just inside Sweet Tooth's head it's beautiful. Yeah. And that this is his, like that somehow Minion this dude, who is clearly unhinged as well, but is somehow the good guy. Yeah, I actually watched a YouTube video about this where a guy described it as broke it down into the three portions of humanity, right? The ID, the ego, and the super ego. And it's that Needles Cain doesn't have an ego to keep anything in check. So sweet. Tooth needles is the ID completely. And Minion, who is actually Marcus Cain.

Right?

Marcus, which is one of the secret codes, is the super ego. And there's nothing to keep them in check. And it's just Minion can only be around when Sweet Tooth is asleep.

Right.

Which is super interesting. And I would love if they would have dived into that. I kind of want a remake of this game, I'm not going to lie.

Yeah. With that as not a through line, but as again, almost unlockable, but an idea to play with in there.

Yeah. This is like some Mr. Robot shit. Everything hurt. My face, my mind, my heart. I remember grabbing for the closest thing I could find. I just lost it. I'd hunt that pilot down sooner or later, but for now, it was strictly between me and Ann. So let's talk about gameplay, because there's not a ton to talk about.

No, there really isn't.

So this game is very fast paced. Yes. This might not be the best comparison, but if you've played any of the armored core games, you know that armored core four was kind of famous for ramping up the speed to the point where normal people couldn't really play it right. And this game is almost there. This game is very difficult to control. And I would say that this game is very hard.

Yeah, it is. It's not easy.

This is a difficult game. Basically, each round is in an arena, and your job is to kill all the other cars without dying yourself more than, what, three times.

Three times, yeah.

And depending on your car, depending on your driver, you have a special move. Sweet Tooth turns into, like, a transformer. It's weird, of course, but they all have a special move. And then you can pick up power ups and different weapons around the stadium, around the arena, such as Homing missiles, which are like, I think, the most useful ass weapon in the game. You also have guns that have unlimited ammo. So even if you run out of the other weapons, there's fire missiles which are just launching, like, directly in front of you. There's bombs, there's all kinds of weapons. There's little things you can find, like little hidden sections, which is a hallmark of this series.

Yes.

Is finding hidden parts of the arena. I have such vivid memories of playing Twisted Metal Two. And in the parish level, you blow up the Eiffel Tower and it creates a bridge to the rooftops.

Yes.

You can blow up walls and find secret power ups. And it's one of the coolest parts of the game. And what kind of like, breaks the monotony of just like, driving around shooting missiles at people.

Right, exactly.

There's also little power up sections where you can roll in and it'll heal you, which are very important, but they only do it a certain amount. There's also environmental hazards that can kill you. In the first level, there's like a trash compactor that you can get crushed in. And other than that, it's pretty simple from that standpoint, it is simple to understand, and I think it's very hard to get really good at. But one of the best things about this game, I think, and it was my favorite part of the series before this game, too, is that this is a couch co op game.

Yes.

And I love couch co op games. I love games that you can play with a buddy right next to you and bullshit and team up on other people. I think that's super fun. And this game is a great time, playing with a buddy.

Yeah, it's fun alone. But the exponential fun factor when you play with someone on a couch cannot be overstated.

Absolutely. And playing with a buddy on a couch makes the game a little easier, makes the learning curve a bit easier because you can kind of team up on guys. You can kind of strategize a little bit in a way that makes the game easier to handle because maybe I'm just not good at it. But this game has a pretty steep difficulty in the beginning.

Oh, yeah. No question.

Once you get the hang of it, it gets easier. But it takes a minute to get the hang of a game like this 100%. All that being said, let's see what other people have to say about this game.

I am unspoiled and very curious.

I was one of the bridesmaids, as usual. My friend Kristen, she was the one getting married. Can you believe what she did? She actually had the nerve to throw the bouquet to me, that little bitch. Looking back I'm not sure it was such a good idea to come off my medication.

So twisted metal black It is the 61st highest selling game for the PlayStation Two.

Fascinating.

Or Xbox or GameCube between January 2000 and July 2006, which is such a weird stat.

Weird stat, but makes sense.

But this game did garner critical acclaim and it has a fucking wild Metacritic score of 91 out of 100.

Great.

Which is insane. That's such a high score for a game like this in game spots. Best and worst of 2001. It was nominated for best Shooting game, came in 9th for their Game of the year category, and it was nominated for best Graphics artistic category. Okay, sure, I would say that did some shit. This is going back a little bit into the game, but I will say that none of these cars, none of these drivers feel like a copy of another one.

No.

Every car, every driver plays different, feels unique and is a whole new experience, which gives this game an incredible amount of replay value. I mean, I played this game for dozens and dozens of hours as a kid and I could easily play it for dozens and dozens of hours.

Now, knowing that we decided to play this game two days ago, I thought I would just do a refresher and I fucking play the shit out of it. I probably spent 7 hours playing this game.

Me too. I had been playing it recently trying to get online to work on the PS Four. And then when we talked about this, I was just like, oh, I'm already here playing it, so let's go. Let's do it.

Yeah.

Maxim gave it Maxim magazine famous video game critics. Maxim Magazine gave the game all five stars and called it a Road Rangers dream come true, which I think might be missing the point of it, but.

Yeah, a little bit.

Playboy, also famous video game critics, gave it a 90% and called it fun for the whole family. Also. I don't know about that.

It's cute.

Many critics praised its dark and outstanding storylines for each character and its variety of weapons and unlockables. But its Ever style controls for not changing much from the previous installments and its unbalanced difficulty were noted criticisms. I do think it's hard. I don't think it not changing. Control wise. Too much is a bad thing.

Floaty driving is twisted metal. So getting rid of that. We're getting into what I was talking about with the Mortal Kombat games. Why are you doing it other than to do something different? I kind of like that about Twist.

I don't want to play grand tourismo with guns.

Yeah. I don't want to try to hit the apex on a fucking turn while chasing after fucking sweet.

Yeah, absolutely not. But all games gave it a four and a half out of five stars edge, which I don't even know what the fuck that is. Gave it a six out of ten. EGM gave it an 8.5 out of ten. Eurogamer, a nine out of ten. Game Informer, a 9.5 out of ten. This might be the highest rated game we've done. This actually looks like it's getting higher scores than God of War.

I think it is.

Game Pro gave it a four and a half out of five. Game Revolution gave it an A minus. Game Spot gave it a 9.5 out of ten. Game Spy gave it a 94%. Game Zone, 9.5 out of ten. IGN, 9.6 out of ten. Next gen. Five stars. PlayStation Magazine, five stars. The Cincinnati Enquirer, four out of five stars.

Little low, cincinnati, what are you guys doing out there?

I killed Calypso about as well as I ever killed anyone. Now that I'm free, I'm going to be the greatest of all time.

Okay, so, Ian, what are you ranking? How are you rating this game?

I have to start off as I consider, and you do not use this word lightly about anything. I consider this game a masterpiece. I'm not joking. For what I'm looking for out of Twisted Metal, I don't know what could be done better.

It scratches a very particular itch.

It does. And I've loved twisted metal. I think it's the second PlayStation game I got, and it fell off, and then it came back to me, at least in such a fucking big perfect way. The storytelling is on point. It's twisted metal. They didn't change too much about it. So I'm gonna because I cannot give a perfect rating. I just can't. I'm not going to go out of five. I'm not gonna go out of ten. I'm gonna go out of 100 and I'm gonna say 93 out of 100. Fucking sweet tooth laughs. Exploding skulls, whatever.

That's pretty high score. I have more nostalgia for the PlayStation One games, but I do think this is the peak, this is the pinnacle. Twisted Metal never got any better than it did here. And honestly, I mean, that's the scary thing about wanting a remake of it, right, is because it's like, I want a remake, but I don't want much changed.

No same.

I kind of just want like an HD remaster of this game. Like a full on kind of HD remaster. So I'm going to give this game eight and a half out of ten demon babies that are actually just there to get baptized.

Beautiful.

That's what I'm going to give it. I don't think it's perfect, but I think it is pretty fucking great.

Here's what I'll say. Here's how I will defend my review. It's not a perfect video game, but it's to me, a perfect Twisted Metal.

Absolutely. And I think this is a game that's driving around, constantly driving around my top five PlayStation Two games.

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